Comments on: Response to 4-MMC/Mephedrone http://www.thehealthyblogger.com/response-to-4-mmc Health blogging Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:21:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: easy http://www.thehealthyblogger.com/response-to-4-mmc/comment-page-1#comment-4361 easy Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:32:47 +0000 http://www.thehealthyblogger.com/?p=382#comment-4361 Hi Rae, thanks for encouraging this discussion. Overall, I think you have a lot of good points. I think you're being logical in that you think 4-MMC should be treated like the other drugs that are banned-- that makes sense if you accept that framework of 'drug war' thought... but my contention is that the current system of approaching drugs does not work whatsoever. It doesn't prevent drug use, and it creates a lot of problems of it's own accord that I've made clear in the other post. Supporting the freedom of a person to do as he pleases to his OWN body is not in support of anarchy. It would be if I said we should have the freedom to do ANYTHING we like-- even harm someone ELSE... but all I've been saying is freedom over my body. "Drug users will then argue that if you go to a club and observe those getting high you will see that they are all tranquil. That’s baloney. Try holding down someone on a real “trip”. " You're mixing your drugs here. Nightclub users tend to take MDMA which doesn't create a trip, it creates a sense of well-being and empathy, which is why the US has recently approved a study to test for MDMA's effectiveness for use in therapy. A 'trip' would come from something else like DXM, LSD, etc. "The effects of illegal, or unregulated, drugs are less well-known." Be careful with statements like these. That's an extreme blanket statement. Many illegal drugs have a rich history with thousands of years of use, even ritual use. I think the most important point here is that we should have the freedom to treat our own bodies how we want, and to be safe, we need reliable drug information and a huge shift in thinking about drugs. Hi Rae, thanks for encouraging this discussion. Overall, I think you have a lot of good points. I think you’re being logical in that you think 4-MMC should be treated like the other drugs that are banned– that makes sense if you accept that framework of ‘drug war’ thought… but my contention is that the current system of approaching drugs does not work whatsoever. It doesn’t prevent drug use, and it creates a lot of problems of it’s own accord that I’ve made clear in the other post.

Supporting the freedom of a person to do as he pleases to his OWN body is not in support of anarchy. It would be if I said we should have the freedom to do ANYTHING we like– even harm someone ELSE… but all I’ve been saying is freedom over my body.

“Drug users will then argue that if you go to a club and observe those getting high you will see that they are all tranquil. That’s baloney. Try holding down someone on a real “trip”. ”

You’re mixing your drugs here. Nightclub users tend to take MDMA which doesn’t create a trip, it creates a sense of well-being and empathy, which is why the US has recently approved a study to test for MDMA’s effectiveness for use in therapy. A ‘trip’ would come from something else like DXM, LSD, etc.

“The effects of illegal, or unregulated, drugs are less well-known.”

Be careful with statements like these. That’s an extreme blanket statement. Many illegal drugs have a rich history with thousands of years of use, even ritual use.

I think the most important point here is that we should have the freedom to treat our own bodies how we want, and to be safe, we need reliable drug information and a huge shift in thinking about drugs.

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